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Got into my first F-body and I've been weekend warrior drag racer for 30 years. I think I got a smokin' deal on this car given the condition of it. The only thing that doesn't work on it is the clock. The AC wasn't working when I got it two days ago but I figured it out. Check her out, She looks pretty good IMO.

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Debating whether to convert it into a 70 TA. It's gonna be a drag car. Already have a 496 BB stroker block I'm going to build for her.
 

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The car is much to clean to make a drag car out of--especially if you're going to put a Chevy motor in it. IMO

We use to convert fairly nice cars to drag racers. But that was a long time ago, when there were still plenty of cheap, clean cars around.

My suggestion is to sell the car to someone who wants to build a nice Pontiac powered street car, then find a suitable Chevy body to build a Chevy powered race car with. And, it's been my experience that you can find one that is already built, for a LOT less than you can build, starting from scratch. There are lots of guys selling Chevy drag cars, for various reasons, all the time. And used Chevy parts are the cheapest there are. No reason to waste $$, when you don't have to. IMO

http://www.racingjunk.com/Door-Cars/182621998/79-Camaro.html

http://www.racingjunk.com/Door-Cars/182397129/1979-Camaro.html

http://www.racingjunk.com/Door-Cars/182619178/1979-camaro-10.90-car.html

http://www.racingjunk.com/Door-Cars/182637652/1981-z28-camaro.html

http://www.racingjunk.com/Door-Cars/182649269/76-Camaro-Rolling-Chassis.html

http://www.racingjunk.com/Door-Cars/182656252/Camaro-Race-Car.html

http://www.racingjunk.com/Door-Cars/182653139/71-Camaro-Backhalf-Roller.html

There are just a few. You can find an almost endless list of Camaros, Novas, Chevelles, and assorted other Chevy drag cars, which will be WAY cheaper than you could possiibly build one. :yes
 

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Welcome, cool car. Turning it into a 70 TA would cost a lot. You could keep the doors, roof, door glass, and windshield, The rest of the body would need to be replaced.
 

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Sound good, I like the colour interior red and white, its very rare.

A nice car you have. Keep it and have fun.

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Didn't know it was that rare. I looked up the year and model and it looked like there were a bunch made but I didn't look into it much deeper than that. I just figured it looked like a typical 70's interior.
 

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The car is much to clean to make a drag car out of--especially if you're going to put a Chevy motor in it. IMO

We use to convert fairly nice cars to drag racers. But that was a long time ago, when there were still plenty of cheap, clean cars around.

My suggestion is to sell the car to someone who wants to build a nice Pontiac powered street car, then find a suitable Chevy body to build a Chevy powered race car with. And, it's been my experience that you can find one that is already built, for a LOT less than you can build, starting from scratch. There are lots of guys selling Chevy drag cars, for various reasons, all the time. And used Chevy parts are the cheapest there are. No reason to waste $$, when you don't have to. IMO

http://www.racingjunk.com/Door-Cars/182621998/79-Camaro.html

http://www.racingjunk.com/Door-Cars/182397129/1979-Camaro.html

http://www.racingjunk.com/Door-Cars/182619178/1979-camaro-10.90-car.html

http://www.racingjunk.com/Door-Cars/182637652/1981-z28-camaro.html

http://www.racingjunk.com/Door-Cars/182649269/76-Camaro-Rolling-Chassis.html

http://www.racingjunk.com/Door-Cars/182656252/Camaro-Race-Car.html

http://www.racingjunk.com/Door-Cars/182653139/71-Camaro-Backhalf-Roller.html

There are just a few. You can find an almost endless list of Camaros, Novas, Chevelles, and assorted other Chevy drag cars, which will be WAY cheaper than you could possiibly build one. :yes
Well I was looking for a clean car to build. I didn't want to have to do a bunch of sheet metal fabrication and frame work so I got a solid car to start with. It was the most solid car in my price range. I could have built an already built race car but that isn't any fun. This is going to be a 3-4 year project for me. I would rather build a car than buy one. There is no pride in driving a bought race car.

Welcome, cool car. Turning it into a 70 TA would cost a lot. You could keep the doors, roof, door glass, and windshield, The rest of the body would need to be replaced.
I was probably just going to do the front end and leave the back half. Probably gonna need a big wing on the back anyways so I'm not going to worry about the rear spoiler.
 

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Wow.. don't make that one a drag car. That is one sweet 76 and very rare too.
I appreciate your passion but I don't really want to try and find another suitable car. Took me months to find/decide on this one. If it is so rare how did I pick it up for $9K in the condition it is in? To me it's just a solid $9K base for my project. Is it worth selling off the interior? I was going to wrap it and store it but I wouldn't know if it was ever going to go back in it.
 

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Shoot for 9k, a very buildable "roller" car could be had. there is a 69 camaro near race ready in TX for $13k....and I mean serious race stuff (back half/glide w/brake ect). just needs a motor.

If my 68 hadnt been a rust bucket, I woulda sold it to find something less precious to build a drag/weekend cruiser out of but I brought this one back from the rust grave.
 

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Shoot for 9k, a very buildable "roller" car could be had. there is a 69 camaro near race ready in TX for $13k....and I mean serious race stuff (back half/glide w/brake ect). just needs a motor.

If my 68 hadnt been a rust bucket, I woulda sold it to find something less precious to build a drag/weekend cruiser out of but I brought this one back from the rust grave.
Oh I could have gotten other cars but I was looking local. Plus I needed a car that drove so a roller was not going to do the trick. It will be sharing daily duties with my Mustang for a year or two while I do suspension and chassis work on her and then after about a year or so I will swap motor and power train. By then I ought to have another car I can daily.

Wow, I really appreciate the passion you guys have for these cars, I really do. Is it going to be that bad to transform this car? I don't want to offend anyone, but I don't think it's anything all that special. I mean it's in good shape and everything but it's not like a 67-69 firebird. It's not a TA or Formula, just a nice run of the mill Firebird Esprit. Or am I completely wrong?
 

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When you buy your first Firebird brand new in 1968, and have a progression to a 4th Gen (1994), plus a few other Pontiac's (1966 GTO Tri-Power, 1973 Grand Prix 455 HO), you end up with strong feelings.... yes "passion" is appropriate. I personally feel that someone put a ton of love into that little red Firebird, with the hope of making it close to new. I'd hate to see it disembodied, being transformed into a different body, different model, and with the underpinnings of a race car.

I'm probably one of the most liberal people on this site when it comes to seeing a non-Pontiac engine in a Firebird, and I even like Camaros..... heaven forbid. My thought is - 99 times out of 100 - it's your car, do what you want with it. But as soon as I saw that car, I couldn't believe someone wanted to destroy it.

Sorry.... but that's just the way I feel..
 

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Oh I could have gotten other cars but I was looking local. Plus I needed a car that drove so a roller was not going to do the trick. It will be sharing daily duties with my Mustang for a year or two while I do suspension and chassis work on her and then after about a year or so I will swap motor and power train. By then I ought to have another car I can daily.

Wow, I really appreciate the passion you guys have for these cars, I really do. Is it going to be that bad to transform this car? I don't want to offend anyone, but I don't think it's anything all that special. I mean it's in good shape and everything but it's not like a 67-69 firebird. It's not a TA or Formula, just a nice run of the mill Firebird Esprit. Or am I completely wrong?
It's going to be great to transform that car! Having a nice clean car to build from makes it a lot less time consuming. I'm all for building a race car out of it for the exact reasons you mentioned. I built mine from an esprit, I think Brownie did too. My kid's got a 76 drag car W/BBC. It's his wheelie machine, he just loves to do wheelies with anything.

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So, there you have it. There are some real Pontiac freaks on this site(like me). And then there are some who could care less what engine goes in what body. Some like the late model stuff, with fuel injection and od trans. Some like the old school Chevy stuff, with a carb, and a 4-speed or glide.

Then their are the Pontiac guys(like me). Most of us like 400 and bigger real Pontiac engines. Hey, nowadays they don't really need any GM parts. You can actually build a complete "Pontiac" engine without using a single GM part. There are aftermarket blocks, heads, cranks, rods, etc, etc. And you can build to 535 cubic inches or more. 1000hp and more is now easily obtainable.

Yes, it will cost a bit more to build a Pontiac engine, than a BBC. But, since you have already spent $9000 on just a stock body, a few hundred dollars extra, for a Pontiac engine will obviously not be a problem.

"...There is no pride in driving a bought race car..."

Since you wanna take pride in building your own race car from scratch, why go with a common BBC, like a zillion others have. Build it with a Pontiac engine, so that when you pop the hood it won't look like all the other BBC powered cars at the track. Hey, when we raced a full schedule, we usually had the only Pontiac powered cars at most of the tracks we raced. But, we won more than our share of races, with Pontiac power ! :yes

So, for me, that car you have could be made into a really nice Pontiac powered street/strip or drag only car--OR you could do the Chevy thing and have just another Chevy powered Pontiac body. With my history, I would not even take it to the track, if it had a Chevy engine. :no

Opinions differ. Some only like the looks of the Pontiac bodies. Then there are some real Pontiac freaks(like me). :smile22:
 

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yes, there was a bunch made, but not so many non TA cars left.

Really though its your car,, do what you want with it and enjoy it. Don't let me or anyone else give you a hard time..
 

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I would love to see a big cube Al pontiac motor in that. Spray some nitrous in it, and make it scream!
 

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Amen.
 

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It's good to see an active membership here and thanks for all the feedback. It's good to see a diverse mix of opinions. I think my time here will be helpful in my build. I do already have a block and crank that I got for a steal from a friend who wanted to help me out so I am going to go in that direction. It will be a 496 stroker with a tunnel ram and dual 4 barrels. It will have a port injected nitrous, prolly a 200-300 shot. I'm shooting for 700-800 hp and 9.90 ET's so I can mess around with the Super Gas boys. The 76 front end is growing on me so I may leave it. As far as the interior I will try and keep as much of it original as much as a 10 pt cage will allow. Some sacrifices will have to be made for safety reasons but I will try and respect the car as much as possible.
 

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9.90s...yeah thats pretty fast! I'll be happy to bust a 10s slip....fingers crossed :)
 

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My engine guy built a 4.5 stroke 400 block Pontiac engine that made 755hp on the dyno, with one carb, on E-85--no power adders.

He has also run low 9's with his '66 GTO--one carb, no power adders.

There are several Pontiac powered GT Super Stock cars running quicker than 9.90, with one Q-jet carb and no power adders. So, you don't need a BBC, 2 carbs and spray to run 9.90's.

If you are really serious about running Super Gas, you might oughta check the rules real close. A stock car, like you have, will require a vast amount of high dollar mods and parts to even be legal for Super Gas. Even if you will just be playin around, you'll need lots of high dollar parts and mods, to live in a 9 sec world. :yes

But then, maybe you already know a lot more about it than me. So, I won't post any more about it. Good luck with your project. :smile22:
 
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