key wont turn to lock - Second Generation Pontiac Firebird (1970 - 1981) - Firebird Nation

Jump to content


FirebirdNation.com is the premier Pontiac Firebird forum on the internet. Supporting Members do not see the above ads.
Photo
- - - - -

key wont turn to lock


  • Please log in to reply
13 replies to this topic

#1 Will Trill

Will Trill

    Firebird Newbie

  • Full Member
  • Pip
  • 25 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • First Name:Ryan
  • City:###### GA
  • State or Province:GA
  • Country:USA
  • Interests:love cars and old video games
  • Year: 1977
  • Make: pontiac
  • Model: firebird formula
  • Engine: 350
  • Transmission: auto

Posted 4 weeks ago

hey, back again, so when i was taking out the igntion lock I noticed that the key turned all the way back when it was but when it is in the column it wont turn to the "lock" position only to the neutral and run. I looked inside and the gear that i guess turns the car on looked fine. im wondering what is going on. is it the lock cylinder or something inside the steering column that needs fixing. also i used to be able to take the key out in neutral but now i cant so do i need a new lock cylinder also? 



#2 myk74

myk74

    Firebird Tune up Technician

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 365 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • First Name:Mike
  • City:Bryan
  • State or Province:TX
  • Country:USA
  • Year: 1974
  • Make: Pontiac
  • Model: Firebird
  • Engine: 350
  • Transmission: TH400

Posted 4 weeks ago

Grab the column right at the dash and see if you can turn it or if it turns itself when you go through the gears. It's part of the backdrive mechanism..   may need adjusting.



#3 Will Trill

Will Trill

    Firebird Newbie

  • Full Member
  • Pip
  • 25 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • First Name:Ryan
  • City:###### GA
  • State or Province:GA
  • Country:USA
  • Interests:love cars and old video games
  • Year: 1977
  • Make: pontiac
  • Model: firebird formula
  • Engine: 350
  • Transmission: auto

Posted 4 weeks ago

Grab the column right at the dash and see if you can turn it or if it turns itself when you go through the gears. It's part of the backdrive mechanism..   may need adjusting.

what do you mean gears?



#4 myk74

myk74

    Firebird Tune up Technician

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 365 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • First Name:Mike
  • City:Bryan
  • State or Province:TX
  • Country:USA
  • Year: 1974
  • Make: Pontiac
  • Model: Firebird
  • Engine: 350
  • Transmission: TH400

Posted 4 weeks ago

park through 1st



#5 Will Trill

Will Trill

    Firebird Newbie

  • Full Member
  • Pip
  • 25 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • First Name:Ryan
  • City:###### GA
  • State or Province:GA
  • Country:USA
  • Interests:love cars and old video games
  • Year: 1977
  • Make: pontiac
  • Model: firebird formula
  • Engine: 350
  • Transmission: auto

Posted 4 weeks ago

im talking about when you turn the key



#6 ZumpTA

ZumpTA

    Firebird Master Tech.

  • Administrator
  • 2023 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • First Name:Tony
  • City:Holiday
  • State or Province:FL
  • Country:USA
  • Year: 1993
  • Make: Pontiac
  • Model: Trans Am
  • Engine: LT1
  • Transmission: 6-Spd

Posted 4 weeks ago

If the car is "in gear" you can't turn the key to lock.  While your shifter is located on the floor, it is not connected to the transmission, it is connected to the steering column.If something is out of adjustment between the shifter and column or column to transmission, you may be in park on the shifter but the ignition cylinder might think you're in reverse or between park and reverse preventing the key cylinder from rotating to the lock position.

 

Behind the steering wheel there is a part of the column that rotates.   Think of a column shifter.  That part is what you're being instructed to rotate.  If it rotates to the left (looking from top) and your key can then be placed in "lock", you need to adjust some linkage.   It's quite common.


  • Will Trill likes this

"There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX.
We don't believe this to be a coincidence."
-- Jeremy S. Anderson

"Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft...
and the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor."
-- Wernher von Braun


#7 Will Trill

Will Trill

    Firebird Newbie

  • Full Member
  • Pip
  • 25 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • First Name:Ryan
  • City:###### GA
  • State or Province:GA
  • Country:USA
  • Interests:love cars and old video games
  • Year: 1977
  • Make: pontiac
  • Model: firebird formula
  • Engine: 350
  • Transmission: auto

Posted 3 weeks ago

If the car is "in gear" you can't turn the key to lock.  While your shifter is located on the floor, it is not connected to the transmission, it is connected to the steering column.If something is out of adjustment between the shifter and column or column to transmission, you may be in park on the shifter but the ignition cylinder might think you're in reverse or between park and reverse preventing the key cylinder from rotating to the lock position.

 

Behind the steering wheel there is a part of the column that rotates.   Think of a column shifter.  That part is what you're being instructed to rotate.  If it rotates to the left (looking from top) and your key can then be placed in "lock", you need to adjust some linkage.   It's quite common.

how do you do the adjustment?


is there a link or something?



#8 Injuneer

Injuneer

    Just Trying to Help

  • Administrator
  • 13600 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • First Name:Fred
  • City:Central NJ
  • State or Province:NJ
  • Country:USA
  • Interests:Licensed Professional Engineer (Mechanical)
  • Year: 1994
  • Make: Pontiac
  • Model: Firebird Formula
  • Engine: 381ci LT1 stroker
  • Transmission: TH400 + GV O/D

Posted 3 weeks ago

To determine if the problem is due to “adjustment”, first you need to test by rotating the part of the steering column described above, to see if moving that rotating part releases the key so it can be turned to “lock”.   You can also try turning the key to “lock” while moving the transmission shift lever through the various gear positions (Park through Drive).

 

Do the test first, come back with the results and someone can tell you what to do next.


1994 FIREBIRD FORMULA
FRED

 
381ci all-forged stroker (Callies Stealth, Oliver billet rods, BME 2618-T61 nitrous pistons) - 10.8:1 - CNC LT4 heads/intake - Comp Cams solid roller - MoTeC M48 Pro engine management - 8 LS1 coils - 58mm TB - 74#/HR injectors - 300-shot dry nitrous - TH400 - Gear Vendors 0.78:1 O/D - Strange 12-bolt - 4.11 Pro-Street gears - AS&M headers - true duals - Corbeau seat - AutoMeter gauges - roll bar - Spohn suspension - QA1 shocks - a few other odds 'n ends. 800HP / 800lb-ft at the flywheel, on a 300-shot. 11.5 @ 117 MPH straight motor
 
https://www.firebird...9_698_32777.jpg

 


#9 Will Trill

Will Trill

    Firebird Newbie

  • Full Member
  • Pip
  • 25 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • First Name:Ryan
  • City:###### GA
  • State or Province:GA
  • Country:USA
  • Interests:love cars and old video games
  • Year: 1977
  • Make: pontiac
  • Model: firebird formula
  • Engine: 350
  • Transmission: auto

Posted 3 weeks ago

ok out of town rn but ill see if i an do it later



#10 Will Trill

Will Trill

    Firebird Newbie

  • Full Member
  • Pip
  • 25 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • First Name:Ryan
  • City:###### GA
  • State or Province:GA
  • Country:USA
  • Interests:love cars and old video games
  • Year: 1977
  • Make: pontiac
  • Model: firebird formula
  • Engine: 350
  • Transmission: auto

Posted 3 weeks ago

so your saying at the bottom of the steering colomn theres something i can turn?



#11 Injuneer

Injuneer

    Just Trying to Help

  • Administrator
  • 13600 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • First Name:Fred
  • City:Central NJ
  • State or Province:NJ
  • Country:USA
  • Interests:Licensed Professional Engineer (Mechanical)
  • Year: 1994
  • Make: Pontiac
  • Model: Firebird Formula
  • Engine: 381ci LT1 stroker
  • Transmission: TH400 + GV O/D

Posted 3 weeks ago

Grab the column right at the dash and see if you can turn it or if it turns itself when you go through the gears.

 

 

Behind the steering wheel there is a part of the column that rotates.   Think of a column shifter.  That part is what you're being instructed to rotate.  If it rotates to the left (looking from top) and your key can then be placed in "lock", you need to adjust some linkage.   It's quite common.



#12 Will Trill

Will Trill

    Firebird Newbie

  • Full Member
  • Pip
  • 25 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • First Name:Ryan
  • City:###### GA
  • State or Province:GA
  • Country:USA
  • Interests:love cars and old video games
  • Year: 1977
  • Make: pontiac
  • Model: firebird formula
  • Engine: 350
  • Transmission: auto

Posted 3 weeks ago

when I go into park it goes rotates clockwise. I also had to take off the shift cable off the side of the transmission when i had to do the seal gasket is that maybe how it got messed up? if so is there a video for adjustment? also i tried turning the key back to lock while going through all the gears and it did not go at all


Edited by Will Trill, 3 weeks ago.


#13 myk74

myk74

    Firebird Tune up Technician

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 365 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • First Name:Mike
  • City:Bryan
  • State or Province:TX
  • Country:USA
  • Year: 1974
  • Make: Pontiac
  • Model: Firebird
  • Engine: 350
  • Transmission: TH400

Posted 3 weeks ago

At 3:38 this vid shows the adjustment bolt for the rod that goes up to the steering column. On the steering column under the dash is an electrical box that controls your reverse lights and neutral safety switch, maybe something else too but I can't remember. The rod from the tranny goes to a lever in the engine compartment on the steering column that controls the electrical box and your steering wheel lock. The electrical box and the rod are adjustable, the lock out is not adjustable. Adjust the rod to work the lock out properly first, then adjust the electrical box to work the reverse lights and neutral safety switch. Should be good to go if headers are not messing things up or bad bushings.

 

https://www.youtube....HwZ9mpuA&t=216s

 

I would imagine that the rod needs to be all the way up while the tranny is in park. Be careful not to knock it out of park accidentally while under the car..  always chock things up


Edited by myk74, 3 weeks ago.

  • Will Trill likes this

#14 Will Trill

Will Trill

    Firebird Newbie

  • Full Member
  • Pip
  • 25 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • First Name:Ryan
  • City:###### GA
  • State or Province:GA
  • Country:USA
  • Interests:love cars and old video games
  • Year: 1977
  • Make: pontiac
  • Model: firebird formula
  • Engine: 350
  • Transmission: auto

Posted 3 weeks ago

thank you sirs






0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users