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#1 brarei200

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Posted 02 July 2011 - 11:49 AM

I'm trying to get a Cold Air Intake for my 1997 Firebird v6 3.8L. I'm looking to get K&N but on there site, they don't have my car listed as one of the supported models?

K&N Link - http://www.knfilters...?Prod=57-3010-1

Scroll towards the bottom and they have the 97 Firebird 5.8L but not the 3.8L. I don't really see why it wouldn't fit a 3.8L (maybe it's bigger?). My question is, will that fit my 3.8L Firebird?


Also, I seen some knock-offs on eBay like this one, http://cgi.ebay.com/...sQ5fAccessories

Will that give you any HP increase or what? That one from eBay supports the 3.8L model...

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Posted 02 July 2011 - 02:06 PM

I bought one similar on Ebay and i am not sure about the 5-15hp increase, but it looks nicer and is easier to service. This one was $16 plus $10 shipping so I figured I couldn't go too wrong. Check Autozone.com...I think they have the K&N for the 3.8L.

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Posted 02 July 2011 - 02:36 PM

97 was an awkward year because of the angled TB i assume, so not many were made.
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Posted 02 July 2011 - 06:51 PM

This guy on YouTube has a 3.8L Firebird with a cold air intake...



SLP Cold Air Intake
ZZPerformance Throttle Body Spacer


Can anyone expand on this?
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Posted 03 July 2011 - 07:02 AM

This guy on YouTube has a 3.8L Firebird with a cold air intake...
Can anyone expand on this?


That's actually the SLP CAI designed for the V8's, it fits the 3.8's because of the throttle body connecting tube the guy put on, I have no idea where he got it, but many people use the SLP CAI on there 3.8's, alot of people say they're worthless, if I were you I would just do short ram, as noted above, just an aftermarket intake to the airbox, but since you have a 97', just DO NOT remove the MAF screen, remember that. Our cars are very awkward to mod, I know, mainly because of the awkward positioning of the throttle body.

EDIT: And definitely DO NOT get those chrome colored metal flashy intakes off of eBay, you will have overheating problems if you do so, trust me, I'm speaking from experience on this one. Also, throttle body spacers are worthless IMO, my friend got a CAI, exhaust and a tune, got it dyno'd, then he put a TB spacer on it, .2 hp gain, worthless...

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Posted 03 July 2011 - 08:23 AM

The rubber elbow that is attached to the throttle body in that video is the stock LT1 rubber intake elbow.

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Posted 04 July 2011 - 11:24 AM

So pretty much SOL for a Cold Air Intake on a 97 Firebird then?
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Posted 04 July 2011 - 11:47 AM

So pretty much SOL for a Cold Air Intake on a 97 Firebird then?



the same one will work for a 98 bird as well.... I got my CAI off ebay for $66 shipped to me and its a full CAI

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Posted 05 July 2011 - 06:53 AM

I wouldn't say SOL, there is someone on this site who found a brand that makes a CAI specifically designed for the 95-97 3.8's (us, lol), it fits in perfectly and it is a heat resistant plastic. I'll try and find the thread for you.

EDIT: Found it, 95-97 v6 CAI, Here

Edited by SySTeMaT1c, 05 July 2011 - 06:58 AM.

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 03:13 AM

http://www.slponline...ite.asp?P=21014
This is the one I have for my 97 V6 I think I have some pics of it in my profile on here as well.
Upgrades: Slp CAI, Magnaflow 2.5" exhaust, Magnaflow high-flow 2.5" cat, Pacesetter Headers, custom transmission shift kit, BMR Shock tower brace. Brand new engine.
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Posted 06 July 2011 - 02:09 PM

http://www.slponline...ite.asp?P=21014
This is the one I have for my 97 V6 I think I have some pics of it in my profile on here as well.


Yeah, that's the one designed for the v8's, as noted above, and your car has a T/A front bumper?
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Posted 06 July 2011 - 03:28 PM

I wouldn't say SOL, there is someone on this site who found a brand that makes a CAI specifically designed for the 95-97 3.8's (us, lol), it fits in perfectly and it is a heat resistant plastic. I'll try and find the thread for you.

EDIT: Found it, 95-97 v6 CAI, Here


Thanks man! $250 bucks though! Damn!
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Posted 06 July 2011 - 07:16 PM

Here's the setup I installed on my 94 V8, bought the cone filter at AutoZone for $15, bought a sleeve for $7 that fit inside both filter and stock intake tube just after box........ you can find that in the plumbing section at Home Depot, Ace Hardware, or any plumbing supply store. The size I found fit perfectly inside both cone filter and existing box (baffle). I used hose clamps to fasten it together. I don't know about power gains, I guess it feels a bit better when accelerating (imagination?) it definatly sounds better....I also took out the noise baffle (approx 2"X8") that drops down from existing tube just in front of fan, I used a small size Dupli Color paint can cover to plug opening created after removal...fit perfectly, that opening is oval, can cover worked well with a couple hose clamps.

Good luck, hope this will work for you, I don't know how close the setups are between the 94 V8 and the 3.8 V6.



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Posted 06 July 2011 - 08:09 PM

The good CAI kits put the filter down below the sheet metal, in the opening inside the fender, and have a block-off plate that seals off the opening in the sheet metal. That way they pull in cold air from outside the engine, not the real hot air from the engine compartment. Even the stock airbox pulls air from in front of the radiator support bulkhead, not from inside the engine compartment, at least that's the way the stock airbox is set up on the V8 models.

When my car was new.... wayyyyy back in the mid-90's, I ran the Callaway Honker CAI, which is identical to the Moroso CAI:

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 10:02 PM

So that CAI that SySTeMaT1c posted is good and brings in cold air from outside in a 97 3.8L v6?
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Posted 07 July 2011 - 08:56 AM

So that CAI that SySTeMaT1c posted is good and brings in cold air from outside in a 97 3.8L v6?


I will research into it more for you, the last CAI i had on my car also dipped into the hollow space where the splash shield is, but it was metal, and it sucked...it just soaked heat, which completely defeats the purpose of a cold air intake, it was extremely hot to the touch when engine was running, it was also a "Chrome Intake" off of ebay, and my engine's temp would just fly up at idle

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Posted 07 July 2011 - 02:26 PM

I will research into it more for you, the last CAI i had on my car also dipped into the hollow space where the splash shield is, but it was metal, and it sucked...it just soaked heat, which completely defeats the purpose of a cold air intake, it was extremely hot to the touch when engine was running, it was also a "Chrome Intake" off of ebay, and my engine's temp would just fly up at idle


Aight, thanks, let me know what you find.
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Posted 11 July 2011 - 12:43 PM

Alright, from my research, I have found that Moroso CAI's will fit the v6's, with a lot of time and tweaking, I wouldn't go Moroso though, I would go SLP from the v8's, just find an LT1 intake elbow and use that, although it may include the elbow, but, I am NOT SURE if the CAI will include holes with correct size and placement for the IAT sensor. So IDK man, sorry that there's not more I could do, but the RkSport still looks like your best bet, but I am not sure man. :/
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Posted 16 July 2011 - 02:18 PM

So, to get a cold air intake I should get the SLP one with a different elbow? I'm having trouble finding an elbow. I looked on eBay and only found one and it was $100.

An elbow like so?

Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image^--- I want one like this, with two pipes and two air filters if possible..

Those are all 97 FBs with the angled throttled body...

http://shop.ebay.com...-All-Categories

Uhm?


I'm looking at buying this one.... http://www.andysauto...pa00205110.html

I called and asked if it's a direct fit, he said yeah, I said even with the angled throttle body? He said yeah. I asked if it doesn't fit will I have to pay to return it, he said no.What I'm confused about though is why does the v8 have the elbow on the site and the v6 doesn't, but in all the pictures above, the v6 has the elbow. I called again and he said the v8 has a bigger motor lol no duh. Can anyone expand on this? Will that part from Andy directly fit onto my car??

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Posted 17 July 2011 - 07:53 AM

Hey Brandon, I'm thinking your best bet would be the RKSport CAI, from what everyone has been saying, it bolts up perfectly no problems at all, I agree with Fred that one dipping into the splash shield area would be better, but you will still notice a power increase, and a definite sound increase, my car sounded AWESOME with that CAI on it when you stepped on it, lol, and plus, it includes a K&N Filter, lot better flow! But if your set on the SLP, best place to go would be a pick n pull yard, junk yard, you could easily find a v8 elbow there, but whatever you do, good luck!

EDIT: Also, the RKSport should be considered a short ram intake, not a cold air intake.

Edited by SySTeMaT1c, 17 July 2011 - 07:57 AM.

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