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[RESOLVED] Window switch acting up. on 1996 Pontiac Firebird no worky.

#1 User is offline   tony85 

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Posted 07 April 2006 - 03:15 PM

Hello all, once again I am truobled.

I arrived at the bank today, attempted to roll up my driver side window.. nothing! The passenger window rolled up slowly (as usual, weak motor)... I opened the door and checked the fuse (I knew that it was good but just wanted to check) by swapping it with the other 30 silver looking one.... same thing... when I pressed the down button it made a noise as if the motor kicked in.... I pressed it like 10 times real fast- then I pressed up---- it worked but when I heard it it was too late, for I had already released the switch and it halted.

I attempt the above again, with success... If I hammered (pressed multiple times) the down switch, then quickly/simoultaneously almost the up... the window rolled up all the way!... When I got out of the bank, both windows rolled up fine, but when I tried rolling them up, the drivers side still wont go up.

I took out that little switch box and inspected the wires/etc.. they look alright, so might my problem be the switch? Are there any quick fixes, or must I replace?

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Posted 07 April 2006 - 03:28 PM

Something like that just happened to me today as well. I go to roll the window up and nothing. I checked the fuse and it was good. I noticed that the driver side window button was a little loose. I took it out and the whole driver side button just broke off. You might want to take it out and inspect it.
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Posted 07 April 2006 - 03:43 PM

I would still not discount the fact that it could be , that window motor.
I used to have trouble, from time to time, with the drivers side window not going up, on one of my cars, and I too, thought it was the switch.
But then out of shear desperation, while holding the button for "UP", I thumped the door in the area of where the motor is located and the window came up.

So that told me right there, it was not the switch, but the motor instead.

I think the motors have a higher failure rate, than the switches do.

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Posted 07 April 2006 - 03:51 PM

slim_77803, on Apr 7 2006, 03:28 PM, said:

Something like that just happened to me today as well. I go to roll the window up and nothing. I checked the fuse and it was good. I noticed that the driver side window button was a little loose. I took it out and the whole driver side button just broke off. You might want to take it out and inspect it.
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Damn.. today as well?? Crazy... Looks like GM has remote controls to our cars and camaras hidden, they must like to see us suffer! I hope we can get this fixed, I will let you know if I come up with anything.

1tinindian, on Apr 7 2006, 03:43 PM, said:

I would still not discount the fact that it could be , that window motor.
I used to have trouble, from time to time, with the drivers side window not going up, on one of my cars, and I too, thought it was the switch.
But then out of shear desperation, while holding the button for "UP", I thumped the door in the area of where the motor is located and the window came up.

So that told me right there, it was not the switch, but the motor instead.

I think the motors have a higher failure rate, than the switches do.

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Thanks Leon... I will try that! The thing is... when it wants to, it rolls up fine and QUICK, I don't know much about window motors so you might be right, it's just weird how it works sometimes and sometimes it don't, yanno?



QUESTION: After removing the panel where all the switches are... there is male/female plugs for the windows... it's A-F, It looks like Blue and Creme are for the left motor, while Blue and greenish are for the drivers... I suppose they both share the black/brown cables (+,-)?? ...now my question is... which of these cables should I connect to test if it's the switch or not? For example, if I were to join the Black & blue? Thanks
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Posted 07 April 2006 - 04:11 PM

YES@#%@#$^#$^

It appears as if I've finally answered my own question.

Matt, I hope this works for you too bro!

Open up the panel, it is laid out like this:

Passenger side's switch: Black, Darker blue, Cremeish.

Drivers side's switch: Brown, Lighter blue, greenish.

Alright... to test out if it's the switch.

It's a BITCH taking the cables out of their little plugs, there might be a way to nudge the little split badge that sits sideways but I managed to get the ones I needed out.

Basically the ones you need are:

Black (Power, I think!), Brown (ground? Who knows) And the two from the drivers side.. The lighter blue and greenish. Look at the male/female plug and see where the passenger's side switch plugs into. You will want to match the light blue where the dark blue used to go, and the green where the creme used to go.. the black cable stays in the same place.. and so does the brown. After you've inserted the cables onto the little poles, hit the passenger side switch (which is now temp. connected to the drivers side window) and HOPEFULLY your window will go up like mine did. I did it multiple times and it worked wonders.

Good luck bro!


I am off to either fixing the switch I've got (if there's a way), if I can't I'll dig the local yards for a new (used) one, maybe ebay.

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Posted 07 April 2006 - 04:33 PM

COOL :waitasec: :crossfingers22:

But how much can they be for a new one from a dealer.
Start fresh with a good one, and be done with it.
A junkyard one may only last a short time, and then you'll be right back where you are, now.

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Posted 07 April 2006 - 04:55 PM

1tinindian, on Apr 7 2006, 04:33 PM, said:

COOL :waitasec:  :crossfingers22:

But how much can they be for a new one from a dealer.
Start fresh with a good one, and be done with it.
A junkyard one may only last a short time, and then you'll be right back where you are, now.

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Thanks for the suggestion, I'm browsing right now... the ones on ebay (only a few) are $35 bid now, $45 buy now, plus around $11 shipping.... wowwwww, that's a lot of money... I hope I can get this one fixed by myself, I'll call a dealer and ask for their price (most likely around $40?), tomorrow I'll call my local yard and see if they can hook me up... I swear, if the same switch breaks on me twice..... :woot222:
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Posted 07 April 2006 - 06:17 PM

I just thought of something and I hope it works without blowing my car up.

I will link both windows to the one switch that works (passenger) and hopefully I can control them both from there, that'll save me some $$ for a while... I shall post the happenings.
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Posted 13 April 2006 - 12:21 PM

I have the same problem with my 2000 T/A, also my son has a 2000 T/A, he just experienced the same problem with his window. I had my Drivers side motor replaced 2 years ago, at least once a month the window will not go up, I let it sit for a while and hit the button and it goes right up no problem. Any ideas???
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Posted 13 April 2006 - 09:21 PM

croudy, on Apr 13 2006, 12:21 PM, said:

I have the same problem with my 2000 T/A, also my son has a 2000 T/A, he just experienced the same problem with his window.  I had my Drivers side motor replaced 2 years ago, at least once a month the window will not go up, I let it sit for a while and hit the button and it goes right up no problem.  Any ideas???
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If that motor is only 2 years old it should work without any problems... and if it only acts up every now and then then works perfectly out of the blues after a while, it might be the switch (as it was in my case).

Whenever it acts up- you can remove the panel (the one with the window switches/mirror/door locks), and link 4 wires together, so that the passenger window switch (on the same panel, not the other one) can operate both windows.. this is considering that your passenger side window works fine always.. if your drivers side window rolls up- then you'll know it's a bad switch, and you can either:

A) Do what I did and nigrig it, or
B) Buy a new switch for about $25 (depends on where you get it really) + Install

I will try to post either a picture or a diagram on how to get the wires to work on the same switch (hopefully tomorrow) and how to nigrig it where you don't have to buy a new switch until your checkbook can handle it, lol...

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Posted 14 April 2006 - 04:05 AM

Thanks we'll give it a try and see how it works, I have taken the door panel off and checked all the wiring etc..., and then hit the button and the window will go up. Put the door back together and hit the button and the window dosen't work, go back an hour later and the window works. When I hit the button I can hear the solenoid click for the motor, even when the window dosen't work. It's very strange, last year I was going to put in a new switch, then it worked again. I will try hooking it up to the other switch and see what happens.
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Posted 14 April 2006 - 04:31 AM

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Posted 14 April 2006 - 09:30 PM

When in doubt use a hammer LOL
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Posted 14 April 2006 - 10:13 PM

croudy, on Apr 14 2006, 04:05 AM, said:

Thanks we'll give it a try and see how it works, I have taken the door panel off and checked all the wiring etc..., and then hit the button and the window will go up.  Put the door back together and hit the button and the window dosen't work, go back an hour later and the window works.  When I hit the button I can hear the solenoid click for the motor, even when the window dosen't work.  It's very strange, last year I was going to put in a new switch, then it worked again.  I will try hooking it up to the other switch and see what happens.
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I'm almost sure you have the same problem I had, why? Because I would also hear the click sound and no window action... Anyway, you can link the switches real easy, here's a quick how-to:

When you open the panel, the window switch wires are laid out as follows:
Black, Dark Blue, Creme, Lighter Blue, Yellow, Green.. They might be different on yours (though they are probably not) and physically they are laid out something like this:

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You will need to connect the dark blue to the light blue, and the creme (or whatever) to the green.. so that the passenger side switch can operate the driver's side window as well... instead of hearing that clicking noise, the window should roll down (express)


Okay! I don't know if you needed that because it might've been common sense to you... it sure as hell wasn't to me! But I hope it helps, good luck and let me know how it works out. :30tens:


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Posted 13 August 2006 - 08:30 PM

Besides a dealer, is there anywhere to get new switches and motors?
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Posted 17 August 2006 - 09:10 AM

eBay is your friend. You can get OEM switches from salvage cars, and OER motors from different companies.
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