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#1 DM3

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 12:43 PM

1967 Pontiac Firebird, (76) 400, 4 Speed, Primer Gray,, really rough project, old style craiger rims (7 in front, 8's in back), air shocks, floor and trunk pans replaced.  Not looking to have a show car, looking to build a fun drivable car.  Half temped to leave the outside in it's current rough shape and make the interior and mechanical top notch.

 

I would like to thank everyone for the help already, and I welcome any comments, suggestions or guidance.

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 02:18 PM

Check out the front and rear attaching points of the leaf springs real good. With that much rust, you don't want the springs coming loose driving down the road.

 

I'd consider making a low budget bracket racer out of it. But, I'd hate to think I had to make it street legal & road worthy.

 

Might be a good idea to install weld-in frame connectors, to help strengthen the mid body. But, if the frame rails are too rusty for welding, you can buy new rear frame rails. Can also buy new front subframe, plus rear quarter panels, new front fenders, hood, etc. Hey, almost anything is POSSIBLE. It's just a question of how much it will cost & how much work is involved. 

 

 

"...Half temped to leave the outside in it's current rough shape and make the interior and mechanical top notch..."

 

That might be a good idea. Lot's of guys have got discouraged and quit, because of all the body work involved in a rough project. 

 

Hey, good luck with it. Hope it works out for you !   :yes


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Posted 26 September 2016 - 02:37 PM

At some point, you will want to do some to the underside and outside to prevent any further rust damage. You can always fix a section and reprimer it grey to match the rest of the car, lol.




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Posted 27 September 2016 - 04:53 AM

Lots of surface rust.  I will either sand and hit with a coat of black primer or directly coat with POR-15.  Any suggestions?

 

The real bad spots will be replaced.



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Posted 27 September 2016 - 05:27 AM

Just my .02c.   I wouldnt do anything to that car till you have fully inspected the rear frame rails, and the front cab mounts.   The rockers are already wasted but can be had for a little money.  Installing rockers is no simple task since between them and the A pillars, they essentially "square" the car up.  Its painful to see a bird that has been that neglected....smh.


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Posted 28 September 2016 - 04:49 PM

Congrats on the project! Mine is in primer ready for paint but I'm going to leave it unpainted as well. I dealt with WAAAAY too much grief over getting a paint job done on another car just over a year ago, screw body shops, I'll keep my hard earned money.

 

That rust is a bitch though. Good luck working through it, don't forget to keep it a driver. Too many people tear it all apart and it sits for a decade or more.

 

For sure check are the primary mounting points like has been pointed out, same for the SFCs!


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Posted 03 October 2016 - 06:44 AM

Lots of surface rust.  I will either sand and hit with a coat of black primer or directly coat with POR-15.  Any suggestions?



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Posted 03 October 2016 - 07:54 AM

A couple of my Pontiac neighbors hit mine with a thick coat of Rustoleum flat black. I supplied a gallon of paint, which I bought online, plus a quart of acetone, from Wal-Mart, and they provided the free labor--minimal prep only. It's available from Lowes, Home Depot, Amazon, Ebay, and lots of other places. I bought an extra gallon for painting underneath. Home Depot is showing a case of 2 gallons, for around $60 shipped.

 

http://www.lowes.com...8-fl-oz/3067153

 

https://www.amazon.c...l/dp/B0002YQJAY

 

http://www.homedepot...76402/202058813

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Posted 03 October 2016 - 09:37 AM

The problem is the rust in places you can't get to, like the inside of the rocker panels, etc. Only a chemical dip will remove that. Otherwise if you just throw POR-15, you are just hiding the problem.

 

That might be ok for surface rust after it's been taken down to bare metal, but not anything else. Just be aware the cancer will still be there under the POR-15 unless you remove it 100%.


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Posted 04 October 2016 - 07:06 AM

I was sitting in the bird yesterday and the seat is really close to the steering wheel.  Do they make aftermarket seat rails so I can get the seat to go back further than the stock rails?  I am tall so a little more room would be nice.

 

Took the valve cover off yesterday. 

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Posted 04 October 2016 - 02:58 PM

I had this problem when my wife use to race '68 Birds. If I remember correctly, I just made adapters out of thin metal strap. Had holes to move it closer than stock for her, and holes to move it back further than stock for me. :smile22:

 

 

Here's some store bought adapters that will move it 2".

 

http://www.ebay.com/...s-/262602686984


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Posted 20 October 2016 - 11:17 AM

Purchased a Edelbrock Performer 2156 intake.  Going to purchased the Edelbrock 7280 gasket kit and will hopefully have it installed this weekend. 

 

I have gotten two recommendations on carbs:  Edelbrock 1406 or 1411.  Any comments or suggestions?

 

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Posted 13 December 2016 - 01:01 PM

Getting ready for the structural repair work.

 

 

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Posted 13 December 2016 - 01:10 PM

Looks like someone has already done the shoulders on it.  Be glad.....I did mine...what a doozy!  Have a gander and be glad!

 

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Posted 15 December 2016 - 11:28 AM

The bottom of the shoulders are a little rotted, hoping the guy can cut and replace what needs to be done without entire replacement.

 

Looking to ship the car over to the repair shop in a week or two.

 

Already have the rear frame rails and both rockers, just need to roll her out and take the right fender off and she is ready to go.



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Posted 19 December 2016 - 10:27 AM

On her way for both frame rails and rockers replacement, clean up the underside of the car and interior weld clean up.

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Posted 19 December 2016 - 10:21 PM

Good luck Dirk. get that rust out to end the prob. you getting pic as the shop does the work?

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Posted 20 December 2016 - 05:55 AM

Thanks, yes, he is going to send pics as he does the work.



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Posted 24 December 2016 - 08:50 PM

nice can't wait to see how it goes.



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Posted 11 January 2017 - 08:42 AM

Progress on the structural frame repairs.


Progress on the structural frame repairs.

 

When finished, the car will have new pans from the fire wall to the tail panel, new rockers, new rear frame rails and a coat of paint.  The rear will be sanded and painted and the welds all cleaned up underneath.  He said it will look like a new car from underneath.

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