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Posted 18 August 2012 - 06:32 PM

I just bought this car for $14,000. The owner said he did have the seats recovered but that it was was one the 1600 LE models. How can I be sure I have an original 30th Anniversary Limited Edition?

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 06:43 PM

Maybe these guys could help: http://www.30th-ta.org/
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 06:57 PM

I took a look at that site and if yours is not a 30th T/A someone spent "way" to much to make it a perfect clone.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 07:06 PM

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I took a look at that sight and if yours is not a 30th T/A someone spent "way" to much to make it a perfect clone.



The only thing the guy said he did was have the seats recovered. I'm getting some flack from aonther forum saying it wasn't one of the 1600 made. I asked him if it was because of the seats but he hasn't responded. It has the LS1 Ram Air Engine. Has the 30th Anniversary embled below the air conrol knob as you can see in the picture, plus under the hood. Says it's a WS6 with High Performance Package. I'm not going to complain. I paid 14K for it. The regular ones go for $11K so that's not to much more IMO. I think it's one but would like to know if there is a way to actually verify it.
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 07:23 PM

Here is an answer for one of the FAQs on the site I referenced before:

RPO Z4C, otherwise know as the 30th T/A Package, contained a multitude of things. First off all Z4C options were placed on top of the base 30th vehicle, an Artic White WS6 T/A Ramair car. The most notable off all the contents of this package were the 17" high polished aluminum wheels with medium blue tint. Dual two-tone blue stripes run the length of the car from the decklid to the front of the hood the end in the Pontiac screaming chicken. Convertible owners get a beautiful navy blue ragtop only available on the 30ths. White leather prado seats with blue stitching help provide a nice cabin for the driver with specially embroidered smooth headrests. White "perf" vinyl door inserts with blue thread topstitching set the door off. There are specific 30th T/A floor mats in the front, and for the coupes, there is a special leather cargo mat with beautiful embroidery. On the black rear trim panel is a white bird with TransAm lettering specific to only the 30th T/A. A unique blue WS6 emblem adorns the right rear of the car. Each door of the car has a 30th Anniversary badge on it; with cloissone blue, white bird, and chrome graphics. Each car also recieved a specifically numbered (4 digit) plaque underneath the radio above the additional accessory outlet.

There is also a member list with the series number for each. I wonder where that is located?

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 07:44 PM

View PostGaryDoug, on 18 August 2012 - 07:23 PM, said:

Here is an answer for one of the FAQs on the site I referenced before:

RPO Z4C, otherwise know as the 30th T/A Package, contained a multitude of things. First off all Z4C options were placed on top of the base 30th vehicle, an Artic White WS6 T/A Ramair car. The most notable off all the contents of this package were the 17" high polished aluminum wheels with medium blue tint. Dual two-tone blue stripes run the length of the car from the decklid to the front of the hood the end in the Pontiac screaming chicken. Convertible owners get a beautiful navy blue ragtop only available on the 30ths. White leather prado seats with blue stitching help provide a nice cabin for the driver with specially embroidered smooth headrests. White "perf" vinyl door inserts with blue thread topstitching set the door off. There are specific 30th T/A floor mats in the front, and for the coupes, there is a special leather cargo mat with beautiful embroidery. On the black rear trim panel is a white bird with TransAm lettering specific to only the 30th T/A. A unique blue WS6 emblem adorns the right rear of the car. Each door of the car has a 30th Anniversary badge on it; with cloissone blue, white bird, and chrome graphics. Each car also recieved a specifically numbered (4 digit) plaque underneath the radio above the additional accessory outlet.

There is also a member list with the series number for each. I wonder where that is located?




Gary, that it some great information. It is white (not sure if Arctic White) with the ram air and the LS1 engine. The engine does have a rectangular air sucker (for lack of a better word) that matches up to the RamAir front panel. It does have the chrome wheels with blue tint. I will check the doorsfor white perf vinyl door inserts with blue thread topstictinng. The mats had 30th edition on them IIRC and yes the the cargo mat was white with teh 30th Anniversary eidtion embroidery. It has the WS6 blue emblem on the back. I will also check each door for the badge with blue and chrome graphics. I will look for the 4 digit plaue underneath the radio and above the accessory outlet. What's hyour thoughts from my pictures?
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 07:58 PM

Looks good to me, but I am no expert on those. Why don't you sign up at 30th-ta.org and ask how they come by the series number? Then put yourself on their list.
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 08:26 PM

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Looks good to me, but I am no expert on those. Why don't you sign up at 30th-ta.org and ask how they come by the series number? Then put yourself on their list.



I tried but the registration wasn't page wasn't working 30 or so minutes ago. I'll check later on or tomorrow. Thanks for all the great info.


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Posted 18 August 2012 - 09:08 PM

wouldnt the pink slip say anything? maybe look up a carfax?
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Posted 19 August 2012 - 07:15 AM

If it's a factory car, it will have "WS6" and "Z4C" on the service parts tag. No mystery there. You can also go to this site and put the VIN in and get the complete RPO code list, number produced, etc.

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This info will not be on the title, and can not be decoded from the VIN. It has to be extracted from the service parts tag and/or the VIN data base.
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Posted 19 August 2012 - 09:06 AM

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If it's a factory car, it will have "WS6" and "Z4C" on the service parts tag. No mystery there. You can also go to this site and put the VIN in and get the complete RPO code list, number produced, etc.

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This info will not be on the title, and can not be decoded from the VIN. It has to be extracted from the service parts tag and/or the VIN data base.



Where would the service parts tag be on this car?

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Posted 19 August 2012 - 10:02 AM

Usually in the glove box. If not, on the end of the driver's door, or in the console. It will look like this (this is not a Firebird tag, just a typical picture I found on the internet):

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Posted 19 August 2012 - 10:21 AM

My 98 has it on the driver side door, but, but on a collector car, they may not have put it there for aesthetic reasons.

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Posted 19 August 2012 - 02:12 PM

Welcome for FBN, Paul. There should be a sticker on the driver's door above the latch mechanism with all of the RPO's listed. If you can find 'Z4C' listed there, that should be all the proof you need to know yours is an original 30th Anniversary car. All of the late-4th Gens had the sticker located there, regardless of whether it was a special edition or garden variety Firebird.
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Welcome for FBN, Paul. There should be a sticker on the driver's door above the latch mechanism with all of the RPO's listed. If you can find 'Z4C' listed there, that should be all the proof you need to know yours is an original 30th Anniversary car. All of the late-4th Gens had the sticker located there, regardless of whether it was a special edition or garden variety Firebird.



How do you know if it's the limited edition where they only made 1600? That's what sold me on the car but I showed the pictures on another forum and one person seems to think it's just a standard 30th anniversary edition. I'm picking it up at 10:00 A.M. tomorrow morning and I will look for the Z4C and WS6 on it. Does the Z4C indicate the limited edition of only 1600 made? I just want to have peace of mind that it was the Limited Edition model as he priced it as one. I looked on KBB and the value for a standard 30th edition was around 10-11K. I'm paying more than that for this one because he stated it was the LE version which makes it more expensive I assume.

Either way I'm still buying it because me and the wife both fell in love with it. I just want peace of mind that the guy didn't take advantage of me.


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Posted 19 August 2012 - 06:42 PM

I might be wrong but there shouldent be any difference, a 30th is a 30th, I would be sure that they would make only a limited number and that would be the 1600, you should make sure that person even knows what they are talking about or are just blowing it out there a*s.
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Posted 19 August 2012 - 06:43 PM

What's the number on the dash plaque? Does it not conflict with those on the 30th-ta.org site?

Maybe print out their list and compare it when you pick up the car. There are some details even for numbers that they can't find currently.

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What's the number on the dash plaque? Does it not conflict with those on the 30th-ta.org site?



Hi Gary,
I pick it up tomorrow morning at 10am so I will check for the plaque and the sticker for peace of mind. You guys have been a great help with all my questions and I really do appreciate it.


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I might be wrong but there shouldent be any difference, a 30th is a 30th, I would be sure that they would make only a limited number and that would be the 1600, you should make sure that person even knows what they are talking about or are just blowing it out there a*s.



Widipedia shows they made17,170 firebirds that year but only 1600 for the limited edition. Here's a quote from them:

1999The Big 3-0 A new 30th Anniversary Limited Edition Trans Am added a little distinction to the 1999 Firebird offerings. Otherwise, there were only minor changes. Formulas and Trans Ams now had a four-speed automatic transmission as standard equipment. Buyers could choose from it or a six-speed manual, which had a Hurst shifter. Traction control was available on V-6 Firebirds. Specific V-6 Firebirds also got a Torsen II slip-reduction rear axle as standard equipment. An Electronic Brake Force Distribution system and solenoid-based Bosch anti-lock brake system enhanced stopping capabilities. Also new was an upgraded sensing and diagnostic module to improve the passenger-protection system.
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Posted 19 August 2012 - 07:07 PM

If it's a 30th, it's a "limited edition" because they only made 1,600 30th cars. There are no variations on a 30th. There are NO 30th "not a limited edition" cars.

There are more WS6 cars besides the 30th. That option was available on cars that were not 30th cars. But to order the Z4C option, which applies to all 30th cars, you had to order WS6 first.

Read EXACTLY what we are trying to tell you. This does not need to be as complicated as you are making it.
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