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#1 User is offline   onebadbluebird 

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Posted 23 August 2006 - 03:37 PM

my 1989 trans am wont start after being drivin and engine is hot. but when you let it sit for 20-30 min it will fire right up. any time i change the starter it will be fine for a few weeks then do it again. starter getting top hott? short in wire? please help im at a loss and ripping out my hair!
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Posted 23 August 2006 - 03:45 PM

onebadbluebird, on Aug 23 2006, 03:37 PM, said:

my 1989 trans am wont start after being drivin and engine is hot. but when you let it sit for 20-30 min it will fire right up. any time i change the starter it will be fine for a few weeks then  do it again. starter getting top hott? short in wire? please help im at a loss and ripping out my hair!
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What happens when you try to start it? Is the engine overheating? Please give us as many details as possible. Even ones you don't think are related.
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Posted 23 August 2006 - 03:48 PM

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What happens when you try to start it? Is the engine overheating? Please give us as many details as possible. Even ones you don't think are related.
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when i try and start it i get nothing batterry gauge is at 12 volts car is at normal tempiture starting in neutral doesnt work not even a click out of the engine
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Posted 23 August 2006 - 06:43 PM

Sounds like the starter is dying from heat soak.
Do you have headers?

Let me know how your can is set up, under the hood, because my 83 has been modded quite heavily and i don't have a problem with hot restarts, so I think I might be able to help you.

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Posted 23 August 2006 - 08:21 PM

I am going to leave this one with Leon.
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Posted 24 August 2006 - 04:08 AM

1tinindian, on Aug 23 2006, 06:43 PM, said:

Sounds like the starter is dying from heat soak.
Do you have headers?

Let me know how your can is set up, under the hood, because my 83 has been modded quite heavily and i don't have a problem with hot restarts, so I think I might be able to help you.

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under the hood id bone stock only thing done is a flowmaster muffler throttle body induction 305 v8

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Posted 24 August 2006 - 02:04 PM

Boy, that's weird, totally stock, and you have this problem.
You are describing the exact same problem I had with my 79 T/A w/headers.
I would have to let it sit for 20-30- mins to cool down, before it would even turn over.
New starters never seemed to fix the problem, either.
I ended up useing 24v battery cables from a Caterpiller, and that ended my problems.

So I would say to first check and make sure you have very good-new battery cables(both of them).
This way you are getting the most amps from the battery to the starter.
Or you can make your own cables out of heavier gauge wire (similar to the gauge used for a welder) and see how that goes.

But to be honest, if you are 100% stock under the hood, I don't see a need at this time to get real crazy with changing a whole lot of things, as it may just be some minor maintainence/ tune-up items. But I would think about getting some new (stock) battery cables, if I were you.

Also make sure you have good secondary grounds...ie. engine to firewall, negitive post on the battery to the radiator support,,, that sort of thing.

Good luck.

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Posted 24 August 2006 - 08:19 PM

I would look at the key if you have the key with the chip it may be the problem
I have seen corvettes with the same system that has this problem just a thought
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Posted 25 August 2006 - 12:47 PM

I had the SAME problem with my 91 305 TPI. The next owner (no i didnt fix it) told me he wrapped the starter with some header wrap and the problem dissappeared. Do what Leon said, tryout what I said, and let us know how it goes. Also, double check all your wiring, check for spots that the wires could be gettin hot and look for shorts as well.
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Posted 26 August 2006 - 09:09 PM

Crispy, on Aug 25 2006, 03:47 PM, said:

I had the SAME problem with my 91 305 TPI. The next owner (no i didnt fix it) told me he wrapped the starter with some header wrap and the problem dissappeared. Do what Leon said, tryout what I said, and let us know how it goes. Also, double check all your wiring, check for spots that the wires could be gettin hot and look for shorts as well.
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I had the same problem wtih my 84 Camaro. Just had a stock 350 in it with stock manifolds and hated hot restarts. Never did fix it.
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Posted 27 August 2006 - 12:51 PM

This is simply called a "hot start". It occurs when the solenoid gets too hot. Check the wiring going to the starter ,considering you have already replaced the starter. The wires may have insulation missing.
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Posted 27 August 2006 - 02:24 PM

Check your conections as heat goes up so does resistence. and if its the solinoid getting to hot you could always run a ford one.


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Posted 27 August 2006 - 05:47 PM

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Check your conections as heat goes up so does resistence.  and if its the solinoid getting to hot you could always run a ford one.
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I don't know man, I tried that on my 79, when chasing my problem, and that didn't help, either.
Go with heavier gauge wires.
That will never fail!

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Posted 27 August 2006 - 06:36 PM

i wraped the starer in a heat sheild the problem had seemed to be fixed at least for now ill go threw all your suggestion if it happens again thank you guys for all your help this site is great!
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Posted 28 August 2006 - 06:41 AM

No problem. Glad something worked for ya.
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